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Fauxgressive Liberal Dickwads Strike Again, Satirizing Rape, Murder and Lynching of Women and Girls to Advance Their (Progressive?) Agenda September 3, 2009

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i encourage my readers to submit examples of self-identified liberal progressives acting like racist, misogynist assholes. heres a recent example i found, all on my own. it wasnt hard to do.

liberal male bloggers recently started an internet smear campaign against fox news host glen beck. which fundamentally i do not have a problem with at all.  fox news is certainly not advancing a feminist agenda, and they are no friend of mine.  what i do have a big fucking problem with, however, is the decidedly misogynist nature of said “liberal” campaign. specifically, those crafty, creative little liberal turds have decided that laughing at the rape and murder of little girls is an acceptable political tool, and that evoking misogynist hate (their own) is the perfect way to make their (progressive?) point. the point being, apparently, that they are socially-conscious, and have the moral high ground on issues of race and sex.

the gist of it is that said lefty liberal dickwads i mean bloggers are calling beck out for making claims that he cant back up. ok, no problem there. the way they are making this point is to start a rumor that beck himself “raped and murdered a young girl in 1990” and they are inviting beck and beck supporters to provide evidence that he didnt. what a delightful intellectual exercise! lefty liberal men mentally masturbating to the image of rape and murder. with the other hand, they are patting themselves on the back for being so clever.

this is not unlike the other lefty liberal dickwad blogger who, apparently without an ounce of irony intended, crafted an image of michelle obama being lynched by the KKK to “illustrate” how the GOP are fear-mongerers and race-baitors. no problem there! a perfectly sane, progressive mind could envision that, and legitimately use it to further a liberal agenda. sure…ok. in bizarro world.  and good little progressive girls arent expected to say boo about it.  in fact, in responding to those who did criticise his “work” this little fucktard defended himself and the offensive image he created, largely because it garnered page views:

I still think that it was entirely appropriate, historically accurate and politically relevant.Besides, it was an ILLUSTRATION, a FICTION not a PHOTO. I still don’t get what all the uproar was about.

in a similar vein, see here for an excellent analysis of the lefty liberals’ using the homo-evocative rape-euphemism “teabagging” to humiliate the most recent wave of anti-obama protesters.  charmed, i’m sure.

the feminist law professors address this “phenomenon” thusly:

[Liberal men] think declaring themselves liberal gives them a free pass on everything: Can’t you stupid broads take a joke from people perfectly happy for you to have reproductive freedom, perform in porn, anything you like, as long as you STFU? NO. (link)

i have absolutely declared war on these misogynist lefty liberal dickwads.  as always, please send me links to things you have found, and i will be more than happy to hold my nose while i post them here, for all to see.

Comments

1. Loretta Kemsley - September 4, 2009

I didn’t know about that blog thread. It bothers me that people get so caught up in their hatred for someone else that they betray what should be a basic tenet: not using violence against women as a joke or saying it’s fine to use it because it is satire.

There is nothing funny about rape. No woman experiences it as satire. It is vile, violent and frightening. It can result in a lifetime of pain or death (as amply illustrated by the false accusations against Beck).

Women need to claim their public voices so we can define our world through the feminine lens. Too many remain silent and cede their power to people who would use the vision of a violent crime committed against them as amusing entertainment.

2. factcheckme - September 4, 2009

absolutely right. looking at rape, murder and lynching from a position of distance and non-emotion is to look at it from a position of privilege. because only men, and white men are never affected by these atrocities, except as the perpetrators. to speak so callously about it is evidence that they have never experienced it, and that they dont see themselves as potential victims. in other words, their privilege is showing.

3. Nine Deuce - September 23, 2009

I submit to you Bill Maher’s entire career. But especially his recent interview with Jay-Z, in which he congratulated Jay-Z for being openly misogynistic, comparing him to Frank Sinatra, who Maher deemed a pussy for pretending to be a romantic asshole in his songs while being a womanizer in his private life. He then asked Jay-Z about a woman he’d written a heinous song about and asked if he could get her number. Immediately after this, he interviewed Bill Moyers and asked him all manner of serious questions about politics and the media. So in addition to being the biggest misogynist this side of Howard Stern, apparently Maher also thinks that black guys are too stupid to talk about anything but bitches and hos.

factcheckme - September 23, 2009

hey 9/2

i didnt see that interview, but if its on you-tube maybe i will embed it here at some point. you are right, thats just over the top lefty liberal dickwad behavior. as an aside, are you saying that you think howard stern is the biggest misogynist alive today? it would be difficult for me to narrow it down to just one, but HS would certainly be on the list.

4. aladydivine - September 25, 2009

Apparently black guys ARE too stupid to talk about anything other than bitches and hos.

People need to stop excusing the rappers, and 9/2 that is what your post sounds like, to me, as a black woman. You identify that Jay-z performs/writes misogynist songs, great, but you fail to identify that he is ALSO to blame for the discussion that took place during the interview.

If black men don’t talk about anything other than bling, and banging mad hos and cum guzzlin bitches, why the FUCK not be angry at them and hold them responsible for the content of interviews? It’s quite clear that black guys are too stupid to talk about anything else, they have their own mind, their own ability to say what the hell ever needs to be said. “Whitey” can NOT always be the blame for black male fuckery!

I get this argument from self hating black women all the time “well the industry is run by rich white men who want artists to rap about that stuff so it’s not their fault” FUCK THEM. When it would fuckin benefit black men to buck up against white male supremacy they did it. Anyone else remember/know anything about the Black social movements of the 60’s/70’s at all?

When white privilege/supremacy was getting in black men’s way they were all ready to protest and kumbya and shit! When the noose is on BLACK FEMALE necks, and black men get to make a profit, they’re victims of the system?

BULLSHIT! Jay-z was just on Oprah doing the same shit…. it’s not “the man’s” fault, its his own.

factcheckme - September 25, 2009

um, tell us how you really feel? seriously, that was a good rant. love it.

frankly, sometimes its difficult for white feminists to call out black men for being misogynist pricks, because we realize that doing so marginalizes black feminists, who have allegiences to both black activism (and therefore black men, and black male leadership) and feminism. i dont know what can be done about that. perhas its time for black women to start calling out black men for being misogynist when they see it? or…are white feminists supposed to just let it fly, and take the criticism from black feminists when it comes? this is a serious question. i really dont know the answer.

what i do know, however, is that the number-one priority of those at the helm of the feminist movement must be the advancement of women as a class. to do otherwise would be insane, and no other movement has ever been expected to take on leaders that didnt share a singular vision. imagine if the leaders over at PETA were really just environmentalists at their core, rather than animal-rights activists? sure, environmentalism and veganism/animal rights-ers share many goals, and are related movements. but they arent identical ones. and environmentalists can still eat meat and wear fur (particuarly the live-off-the-land types). and male race-activists are advocating for the end of white supremecy and minority oppression…but can also be misogynist as fuck and use women as literally objects, and then brag about it. they can even commit RAPE and brag about it. black feminists cannot be silent about that…can they? (are they?) i know that no feminist voices are mainstream, so maybe its not fair to say “i havent heard that lately, if at all.” but…i havent. and i spend plenty of time on the feminist blogosphere.

5. Barbara - September 25, 2009

Thanks for posting this at the Xenia site, I didn’t know that these campaigns were going on. Jeez. Using the body of another person to make your point is wrong no matter what your message is. It’s just trading one instance of Othering for another, with the end result of the white liberal blogger getting to be the hero for inciting the investigation or pointing out that it’s the bad conservative who’s the real criminal. Why do they have to make their point on our backs instead of using their own?

factcheckme - September 25, 2009

Why do they have to make their point on our backs instead of using their own?

thats a good question. it just smacks of privilege doesnt it? to be able to view rape from a position of non-emotion to make an “intellectual” point unrealted to rape is to view it from a position of privilege. as a man, he doesnt really have to worry about being raped, and he likely hasnt ever been raped. noone else (women, or anyone who has been raped) could possibly view the subject so unemotionally. same with invoking the image of lynching: only a white male could view it with enough detatchment to ever think that invoking it at all (where the point being made has nothing whatsoever to do with lynching, ie. its inappropriate) was a good idea. and they are utterly, utterly blind to their own privilege. not only that, but there are acting like complete assholes, and abusive. call them on it, and their behavior gets worse: they call you a feminazi, or a whore. all the while believing that they are good progressives. UGH.

6. aladydivine - September 25, 2009

“um, tell us how you really feel? seriously, that was a good rant. love it.”

Rant: speaking in a loud exaggerated manner, loud and threatening speech. A very loud, aggressive, or bombastic speech that is usually long and repetitive. To speak or say sometihng in a very loud, aggressive way.

I want to ask you, respectfully, to never again use that term in reference to anything I say. I’m sure you do not know this, but ranting is a label put on bw when we speak out on anything without taking care of ppls feelings and “calming” or anger. We have a damn RIGHT to our own emotions; yes even anger all women do, without being labeled. Shrill usually follows rant, then bitter, then angry. It’s fucking offensive.

“i dont know what can be done about that. perhas its time for black women to start calling out black men for being misogynist when they see it? or…are white feminists supposed to just let it fly, and take the criticism from black feminists when it comes? this is a serious question. i really dont know the answer.”

First, exactly how many black women do you know? How many do you know that don’t speak out against black male misogyny??? THIS black woman does, and countless other sistas. Just because we don’t get the media attention doesn’t mean it’s not happening, you know this well. Black women have been calling out black men for their misogyny, and it’s not easy. Black women are attacked for “betraying” the so called black community (black community only means men and boys btw.) We have been taught, since birth, to be “loyal” to the cause, the struggle, the community at our OWN expense. It is telling, though, that there is no reference at ALL to the stigma black women face in calling out black men, and, ultimately in their eyes, in betraying the race. If you are ignorant to our struggles, no wonder u get criticized! One thing far too many white women/feminists do is expect ONE sista to represent us all… I can tell you what I, A LADY DIVINE, would appreciate and respect from you as an individual, but I do NOT represent all black women, and to ask me these questions as if I can do so, is hurtful, ignorant, and wrong of you, even though it is a serious question.

White feminists (like male allies) need to set up networks of accountability and responsibility with woc that holds them accountable for and to a community and in turn helps you break down your whiteness and white skin privilege. No doubt black women take offense to white women/feminist criticisms because they most often either fall along the line of defending black male fuckery, or it’s riddled with racist white supremacism taught to you by your white brothers. The comments always pit white men as protectors and defenders of women, doers of good (all women are “saved” by all mighty white man from oppressive moc) and black men as aggressors doers of evil while IGNORING what is actually going on with the women! More on this later.

I hardly believe that black women are criticizing white feminists for just calling it like it is. Most often, in my experience, white women who call out black male piggery are doing so in comparison to white males and white supremacy or culture. The privilge laden ignorance white women comment from eclipses what they actually want to say. I was taught, if you don’t know what you’re talking about to stfu, so I do until I’ve read enough, and researched enough, and thought enough to speak on it. I don’t go shooting my mouth off abt gay/les issues; I’m not gay/les. What I do, so as to make sure I’m not a privileged hetero oppressor, is I created COMMUNITY so I could be accountable to the gay community and to their rights, struggles, oppression. I have a network of gay friends whom I talk to, and who will kick my ass a time or two when I fuck up, and we will ALL fuck up if it isn’t our reality. I am opened to the ass kicking, accept it, take the lesson and don’t go around all “well I just don’t know WHAT to say cause they get mad at me.” You’re bound to be pissing ppl off, ur pissing me off right now. Instead of running from it, embrace it, learn from it, and stop pissin folks off. I’m trying to wrap my head around how exactly a white woman could be criticized for saying that Jay-z rapping about hos bitches and sluts is misogynist… You delivery is off, not your claim.

“frankly, sometimes its difficult for white feminists to call out black men for being misogynist pricks, because we realize that doing so marginalizes black feminists, who have allegiences to both black activism (and therefore black men, and black male leadership) and feminism.”

And you, all of you white women, have an allegiance to white men, it is the way you are able to enjoy the privileges of whiteness. Being oppressed as a woman does NOT take away your ability to benefit from privilege and oppress due to your whiteness. Frankly, it’s difficult to talk to white feminists because of their whiteness and the constant battle woc face in dealing with it. You will not see in anyway how whiteness and white privilege rears its ugly head in your comment to me, I do. Houston, we have a damn problem. Black women’s struggles are not tied with black men’s struggles… black men don’t even recognize our damn struggles… What are black women’s struggles, FCM? I really want an answer to that and I will press for one.

We’re expected to compromise issues that affect us, for “the greater good” which means THEIR greater good. Our humanity is CONSTANTLY compromised by bm, and also by wm, ww, and any other combination you can name. I cannot stand it when white women play this damn game of “well what do I say gosh I just don’t know” when it comes to black women’s issues. Here’s a thought, what would you say or do if it were YOU? Reconcile your privilege and ignorance (don’t mean that as an attack but in the true sense of the word), start reading black women’s blogs, especially the BW IR blogs (IR=interracial) if you really want to be a sister of mine or any woc for that matter. I’m really tired of the bs we face from white women, there are THOUSANDS of resources FEMINIST resources out there on the subject, READ! Damn I’ll even provide you with a link. It is YOUR responsibility to know abt ur privilege and to deal with the ignorance that comes with it. Just the same as with men. (getting REAL tired of having to do this with ALL males and white women, but it’s the story of my life.)
http://www.feminist-reprise.org/docs/fryewhite1.htm

“and male race-activists are advocating for the end of white supremecy and minority oppression…but can also be misogynist as fuck and use women as literally objects, and then brag about it. they can even commit RAPE and brag about it. black feminists cannot be silent about that…can they? (are they?) i know that no feminist voices are mainstream, so maybe its not fair to say “i havent heard that lately, if at all.” but…i havent. and i spend plenty of time on the feminist blogosphere.”

You haven’t because you haven’t been looking obviously! And it’s typical… if I don’t see it, it must not exist… I’m here right now calling it out. Do you see that? Did that register at all that a black woman is calling out a black man on his bullshit in ways that you, and your readers, neglected to? Again, how many black women do you know personally, and how many black woman bloggers do you read? CAUSE ALL of the bloggers I read who are black women are calling this shit out as it is, and not being scared of the damn black community boogey man bully! Like I said, bw have been taught to defend… and damn for most of them I can see why. When your history has taught you that your existence will be attacked on every hand in the name of white supremacy, you will jump at every opportunity to attack that back and to not let it walk all over you ever again. I hate that bw do this shit, but I understand it, even though I cannot do so myself. Why? Because a)I used to BE one of those women who defended black male fuckery and b) I took some time to ask someone what’s what.

See, the problem with whiteness is it has been made normative so you don’t see it. You need to be looking for it everywhere and in everything you say. Black women are not this club of clones! We’re all different, all of us have different experiences, there isn’t this group think mentality. (Don’t you get pissed the fuck OFF when men do that shit to you as a feminist? How do you think I feel as a black woman right now???) Some black women will defend black men’s shit to the death. Like the Kanye foolery… he wouldn’t have done that shit to Teraji! He did it to Taylor because she is white, and young and because to too many black ppl whiteness=weakness. Had Justin Timberlake done that to lil Mama, black ppl would be fuckin enraged… but what do we see? DBR (damaged beyond repair) black women defending the almighty black man yet again… “Taylor is a stuck up, uppity brat” and other foolishness like that while ignoring that Kanye is a fuckin idiot and a racist! Some of us, (like me I am a black woman, I am a woman, a human and I am doing what you’re saying black women do not do in response to me actually doing it btw….,) the first thought was what I just said… The second thought was would white media give a fuck if Kanye DID attack Teraji? No it wouldn’t, because white women are to be “defended” and “protected” and black women just don’t fuckin matter…

7. aladydivine - September 25, 2009

Just had this same convo on another blog, written by a bw. Ww comments telling her how she should feel about the betrayal she’s experienced at the hands of white feminists and (bw said she doesn’t want to deal with them anymore.) The blogger has come to expect so little from white women, because most often they comment in ignorance and “i didn’t/don’t know” is an excuse used to absolve them from responsibility, that she didn’t even see the offense in the ww’s comments…

This is what it does to bw when ww hide behind their whiteness… I read to enrich my mind and positions, to grasp a better understanding on experiences that are not my own, why can’t you all? and FCM this is directed at you and at anyone reading. I don’t want an answer, just consideration of the question. I don’t want to be like my black sista, so disgusted with white feminists that I stop expecting you all to see our humanity, and stop expecting you to give a damn enough to educate yourselves and check your own privilege without us behind you, sweeping up crumbs and taking care of your feelings as you piss all over our humanity/reality.

You comment on male bullshit and privilege without taking care of their feelings right? I will/have/intend to do the same with white women/fems.

8. aladydivine - September 26, 2009

FCM could you clarify what you meant by this:

what i do know, however, is that the number-one priority of those at the helm of the feminist movement must be the advancement of women as a class.

factcheckme - September 27, 2009

FCM could you clarify what you meant by this: what i do know, however, is that the number-one priority of those at the helm of the feminist movement must be the advancement of women as a class.

sure. i think that there are some common goals that must be advanced, if there is to be a “feminist movement.” as opposed to just a bunch of big-brained college kids blogging and playing oppression-olympics (who has is worse in america, the UK and canada…gay/black/trans etc…all the while ignoring the fact that we are extremely privileged in many ways, and ignoring the ways that women as a class are suffering world-wide.) as feminists we cannot become distracted from the things that are going to advance women as a class. dismantling patriarchy and the gender-binary for one. eradicating rape, domestic violence, and birth injuries/unwanted pregnancies that only or almost only affect women (and are perpetrated on women by men) for the other.

because i believe that trans-activists are in fact validating, promoting, and re-energizing the gender binary, i do not believe that trans-activists should be at the helm of the feminist movement. they should be called “trans activists” and regarded as such. same with sex-positives. they arent trying to advance women as a class, if they are promoting heteosexual sex as the norm for all heterosexual women, when malnourished 12-year olds are being married off and impregnated world-wide and are dying in labor or rendered permanently incontinent due to birthing injuries. not to mention the ways that sex-positives (pro-porn) are contributing to an explotative porn industry, and feeding the patriarchy with literally the blood and bodies of women. and ignoring the problems of the “consent” of oppressed people.

i am not the first to have noticed that feminism has gone off the rails in many areas, not the least of which is feminist scholarship. my undergraduate women’s studies program had a lobotomy when it was granted the status of a full-blown major: it changed its name to “gender studies” to appear more gender-neutral, and to not scare away the rich, white benefactors who provide the lions share of university funding. many feminist scholars have noticed the same thing. what does this have to do with the advancement of women as a class…when we cant even say that we are going to study “women” and womens issues, out loud?

i guess the private questioning we feminists do, when we are analyzing issues and responding in these forums is at least as important as my dismissing any feminists as a group (trans/sex-pos etc) so i will defer to individual feminists, and their own assessment of their motivations and goals (to an extent). the question must always be “how is this going to affect, for better or worse, the advancement of women as a class, world-wide?” if thats not the question being asked, then i wouldnt dismiss them out of hand as activists. i would just question whether there is, in fact, a feminist “movement” happening at this time and place in history. there might not be one. there might just be a bunch of parallel activisms happening at the same time, some of which are compatible with feminsm, and some of which are not.

along with a lack of critical thinking, and what seems to be our tendency to give each one “equal” consideration and weight just for the sake of it, i would consider that a very serious problem.

factcheckme - September 27, 2009

most of this speaks for itself, and a response wasnt requested. so none will be given. to the extent that you asked for a response:

I want to ask you, respectfully, to never again use that term in reference to anything I say.

i have reclaimed the word “rant” as well as some other traditionally anti-female and anti-feminist words, and i use them in my writing. you of course may decline to participate in that reclaiming, and i will do as you asked, and not use the word “rant” to describe you, or your words. calling women “overly emotional” or crazy or hysterical or whathaveyou is a mans game, used to silence women who talk about emotionally-charged material. this has two purposes: to silence women; and to NOT acknowledge or discuss emotionally-charged material, most of which is “emotional” because men perpetrate it on others, causing pain. i dont play that game, and that will never, ever happen on my blog.


I can tell you what I, A LADY DIVINE, would appreciate and respect from you as an individual, but I do NOT represent all black women.

i didnt ask you the question, but rather posed it for my readers. so, i am sorry if that wasnt clear. sometimes i am unsure what voice and perspective to use in the comments section of my blog, because i have people interacting with each other there but there are many people who read and dont comment. i will think more about my “voice/s” in the future and how it may appear to others. i know that individual black women dont speak for all black women.


Black women’s struggles are not tied with black men’s struggles… black men don’t even recognize our damn struggles… What are black women’s struggles, FCM? I really want an answer to that and I will press for one.

i am not really sure what you are looking for here, and i wouldnt even attempt to answer if i hadnt done any reading on the subject. if i hadnt, the only appropriate answer here would be “if you want to tell me, i will listen to you” or more to the point, my not answering at all and going to do some reading. but i have read quite alot on the subject, and this is what i have come to understand.

black women are victimized by black men relationally, and by all men systemically (and by white women tangentially). you are literally at the bottom of the totem pole in every culture. you are victimized because you are women by rape, domestic violence, and poverty (like all women are), and then made invisible because of your race (in ways that white women are not) because white men dont see you as their property (i will go into that more below). and while the black male civil rights activists in your communities are busy wanting to be treated as “equals” what they really mean is that they want to be treated like white MEN. because who would want to be treated like a woman? any woman? who would want to be treated like black men treat black women? no one. in fact, black men have at least as much invested in the patriarchy and in the subjugation of women as white men do. because at least in the patriarchy, “disempowered” black men have some power. and i rather think they like it. (i will address white feminists treatment of black issues below).

as to the issue of property rights, white women may rightly rail against men having property rights over us in this day and age. but at least when white women go missing, white men will come looking for us, because we “belong” to them. because THEIR property rights have been violated, when another man does something to us. particularly if they can gin up some racial outrage, and believe (at least a little bit) that it couldve been a black man who violated us/them. of course, this isnt about womens rights to be “left the fuck alone” or even our rights to advance socially or economically…but beggars cant be choosers (?). but black women do not “belong” to anyone who has any real power. perhaps you do not want to be “owned” by another even more vehemently than we do not want to be owned. but to the extent you make your wishes known to black men, an to the extent that they respect them, this only makes you more vulnerable if it causes black men to not come looking for you, either.

now, as to the problem of white feminists. this might be where you and i part ways (but i hope not). i know that the perception is that white feminists have pulled the same shit as black men have in their selfish treatment of the issues: that when white feminists say that they want “equality” that they mean they want to be treated like WHITE men. because who would want to be treated like a black? but for as long as white feminists have been advocating for legal change in the US on issues of voting, rape, domestic violence, equal pay etc, we have sought legal change that was woman-friendly, for women of all races. legal changes that occured after blacks were given the right to vote for example (and that happened way, way before women were allowed to vote) by definition encompass all races: it would be illegal to make a law that was only meant to protect white women, and not ALL women. white feminists have been instrumental in implementing the legal changes that black women enjoy.

and i am absolutely certain that white feminists call attention to issues of race and address racism far more frequently than black male activists call attention to misogyny. as an example, a white feminist would probably NEVER refer to a black man or a black woman using the n-bomb. but black male activists routinely call women whores, sluts, and all manner of vile names. and black male activists continue to victimize black women in a ways that frankly, white women do not have the power to victimize black men or black women, even if we wanted to. all the things that white men do to white women (almost all violence is same-race, not across-races) black men do to black women. like rape, dv, abandonment, etc. white women dont have that kind of power (physical, social, or relational) to treat anyone so terribly. thats not to say that we dont fuck up, and that we dont benefit from our whiteness. just that we do not have the destructive power that white men have, and frankly that black men have, too.

and its interesting, isnt it, that the power that black men do have is used to destructively, as they continue to victimize all women (as you note, kanye’s recent outburst vicimized both a white woman and a black woman)? and the power that white women have is largely used to raise other oppressed people up with charity work and feminist activism that addresses issues of race and class as well. again, white women do fuck up. margaret sanger was a fucking eugenicist for example. but her intentions were good, and selfless, in that she wanted to eradicate poverty, and the feminization of poverty. i have yet to see the same selfless qualities in black male activists, or in black male activism. and thats where my radfem tendencies come out. i think that to the extent that women are powerful, they tend towards positive change across race and class, as well as sex. but give a man some power, any power, and he will dominate everyone who is weaker than he is. i dont think that these are “biological” differences, but anyone with eyes can see that there are “actual” differences between women and men, and what they do with power, even when they only have tiny shreds of power in relation to white men. the differences are there.

so where does that leave black women, and black feminists? again, at the bottom of the totem pole. you basically get to choose as far as making allies (and as with all “choice” of oppressed people, its not much of a choice at all). do you want to align yourselves with black men, who continue to denigrate you? and/or, do you want to align yourselves with white feminists, who are well-intentioned but due to their racial privilege will probably keep fucking up? i guess i would choose someone who was well-intentioned over someone who wasnt, in most cases. but the fucking up needs to be addressed, and kept to an absolute minimum.

in the end, its your choice with whom you want to associate, of course. but i take issue with your saying that casting me aside its the same thing as calling white men on their privilege “without regard for their feelings.” because men as a class are denigrating all women, as a class. and white men are intentionally dengrating all women and all minorities, when they have the option, always, not to. and the same cannot be said for white women, or white feminists. we arent the rapists, murderers, corporate officers, or lawmakers. and we do not take every bone that “our” white men have thrown us, and used it exclusively to lift ourselves up, and crap on everyone else. and you know better than i do that thats exactly what black men have always done, and continue to do. white women are also doing exceptional work internationally, in places where its completely normal to be black…and yet black women are STILL at the bottom of the fucking totem pole. as with the birthing injuries etc in ethiopia, and hillary clinton’s advocacy for womens reproductive rights not only in her own back yard, but everywhere else too.

9. Nine Deuce - September 28, 2009

Sorry to respond to this so late. I’ve been away all weekend and hadn’t checked back. All I can say is that I agree with aladydivine and that I blew it in that comment. Jay-Z had every opportunity to steer the interview away from Maher’s misogynistic pandering, and he chose not to. He has had every opportunity to move away from writing and performing misogynistic lyrics, and he has chosen not to.

I actually think it was stupid of me to post that comment without making mention of that, because the person I was watching it with and I discussed some of the objections you’ve raised. We were talking about Bill Maher and Liberal Dudes in general and about how absurd it is that they try to “prove” that they aren’t racists by condoning and even celebrating misogyny among black men. It’s almost as if they think that calling attention to the misogyny in rap lyrics will get them accused of being racists. But really, what’s going on is that they just don’t give a shit about women and are happy to applaud overt misogyny in order to try to get a few cool points on the backs of black women by pandering to and emulating this exact sort of shit. So what you get is a situation in which a black man is shitting on black women, and white men either think it’s cool and use it to ingratiate themselves (if they’re liberals), or use it to further their own racist politics (if they’re conservatives). In no case does the rapper ever get called out on his misogyny by anyone who actually cares about the women being dehumanized by his lyrics.

And Jay-Z is sitting there going along with it and making millions of dollars on the dehumanization of black women and women in general. It’s bullshit and I should’ve said so. I basically did what I accused Maher of doing by not holding Jay-Z accountable when I should have. I apologize.

factcheckme - September 28, 2009

So what you get is a situation in which a black man is shitting on black women, and white men either think it’s cool and use it to ingratiate themselves (if they’re liberals), or use it to further their own racist politics (if they’re conservatives). In no case does the rapper ever get called out on his misogyny by anyone who actually cares about the women being dehumanized by his lyrics.

this. thank you.

10. aladydivine - September 30, 2009

9/2 Thank you for seeing exactly what I was getting at without needing to make this a race issue.

FCM I’ll deal with your white supremacy and privilege later. Have been away, just reading this and will need time, if I even decide it’s worth it to point out your ignorance, later.

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