Keep Talking Owen Lloyd June 28, 2013Posted by FCM in feminisms, meta, PIV, self-identified feminist men.
Tags: Deep Green Resistance News Service, DGR, Owen Lloyd
i saw the lierre keith/derrek jensen article on counterpunch in all its weird queerified gendernonsensical antiglory and was disappointed, but not quite moved to respond to it. i mean, how many times can a position be stated and restated for the record before it ceases to be helpful? this is a serious question. repetition can be a good thing, and its helpful to both readers and writers to see and think about things multiple times, or in more than one way or in more than one time or place. it probably has something to do with the brain, but thats above my pay grade. i run mostly on intuition, and my intuition is telling me that providing a breakdown of a weird queerified “radfem” text isnt going to be useful today.
enter owen lloyd. remember him? hes the fucking terrifying asshole who becomes enraged at the sight of women, existing. he also writes and does fundraising for DGR news service, which, according to himself, is responsible for “educating people on news and media related to the ongoing struggle against environmental and social injustice.”
educating them. get it? and since DGR itself is billed as being “unconditionally” feminist, we see that DGR news service and other publications and whatnot released by DGR, in addition to whatever else they do and are, are meant to educate people about feminism and in particular radical feminism. because any other kind is antithetical to environmentalism. true, that.
heres owen lloyd writing about rape for DGR news service back in march. oh goody, a self-identified feminist man talking about rape, i say to myself. chance of him implicating himself in something gross and woman-hating: approaching 100%. one immediately notes the [TW] at the top of the page — like a good (liberal?) feminist, he lets us know straight up that we are in for graphic depictions of extreme sexualized violence i mean a porny treat of male masturbation fodder and that we are to proceed at our peril. so if we disassociate for the rest of the day, its our own fault and definitely not the fault of the man who caused it. wow, how unusual ive never seen that tactic used before in other contexts i mean thanks for the warning? i guess? i was right about owen lloyd.
i continue to read, at my peril, because DGR is on my radar but almost anything would be more interesting to me today than deconstructing that counterpunch article. and in fact i dont feel much like properly deconstructing anything today, so no direct quotes will be forthcoming. let me convey my general impressions (analysis) only. you can read the original material for yourself.
owen lloyd is upset at steven pinker, a “canadian-born experimental psychologist, cognitive scientist, linguist and popular science author” because pinker suggests that there is a biological component to male violence and to men raping women across time and place. rape, that thing that men do to women globally and across time which (by definition) largely transcends social conditioning and rape, that thing that women generally dont do to anyone, anywhere, ever. incidentally, owen lloyd gets “upset” at people quite a lot, but lets ignore that insignificant detail for a moment.
and although neither pinker nor lloyd could probably be expected to recognize this, and they clearly dont, lloyds cherry-picked quotes from pinker (which are supposed to show that pinker is an extraordinary asshole) and lloyds own porny examples of extreme sexualized violence actually paint a vivid picture of a necrophilic male context that transcends time and place. i say “necrophilic” because extreme violence including extreme sexualized violence is not compatible with life — necrophilia is a radfem concept coined by an actual, real feminist (mary daly) who wasnt invested in carrying water for men or pretending that men were something they arent. and once you recognize it for what it is, evidence of mens sickening necrophilia becomes obvious everywhere you look, and i do mean everywhere. we are swimming (drowning) in it.
anyhoo, owen lloyd whines that there cannot possibly be a biological/innateness component to men raping women and babies across time and place because man-bashing, and because owen lloyd wants to believe that there is such a thing as “making love” (or whatever) and that this is very different from rape and mens extreme sexualized violence against women yes it is, yes it is, yes it is infinity.
owen lloyd does not seem to be aware that intercourse, the way men do it, is just more of the same necrophilia because it creates unwanted and ambivalent pregnancies, where it is largely (completely) unwanted and ambivalent pregnancies and the resulting unwanted/ambivalent children — mens sexual and reproductive abuse of women, in other words — that are overpopulating and killing the world. an environmentalist should know this. a feminist should know this. owen lloyd and DGR do not seem to know this, and yet they are educating the public on matters of both feminism and environmentalism. oops. and as if that werent enough, some 500,000 women die every year around the world from pregnancy and pregnancy-related complications — more necrophilia, and more evidence that intercourse is a necrophilic practice.
men are killing women and the entire world with their dicks, and owen lloyd is mad at steven pinker for pointing out that men stick their dicks into women and mostly dont care about the consequences and implications of that for the women or for anything — like the environment? — even though that is demonstrably true. owen lloyd defends his own motivations i mean special snowflake status when he is joined at the reproductive organs with his “partner” as meaning and be-ing something different than the thing other men do when they are joined at the reproductive organs of other women. even though IN MANY WAYS its not different at all. enumerate the ways, environmentalist feminist.
and perhaps even more to the point, owen lloyd is mad. yet again. something rises up in him every time someone says or does something he doesnt like — he himself has described this feeling as rage. this is his involuntary, knee-jerk response which he seems completely unable/unwilling to control, and which pops up mostly regardless of context or provocation — indeed, he cant seem to help it. someday perhaps owen lloyd will learn to control both his rage and his urge to stick his dick into women and to zealously and angrily defend other mens right to stick their dicks into women too. it is *possible* that he will endeavor to and succeed in controlling these things.
the one thing owen lloyd will probably never do is to seriously consider that these involuntary physical and emotional sensations he experiences all the time which are mostly or entirely invisible to himself — in particular, rage and the need to stick his dick into women and then to fucking defend the practice (!!!) (with rage!) regardless of the consequences or implications to women or to anything, including the environment — is something he shares with other males, as a class, and that this transcends time and place (and therefore, social conditioning). that it comes from himself, in other words, and that this is the very definition of innate.
this appears to be the size of it, owen lloyd. u mad? LOL. thats what i thought.
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